Re: Group Conlang : Vote on First Tags

Pablo wrote :

[snip]

>1. Cases :
>
>want cases ? : yes/no
>
Pablo :

Yes (agent, patient, undergoer, theme, modifier, determinant, predicate).

Mathias :

Yes

>if yes :
>
>prefixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>suffixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>infixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>separable tag ? : yes/no
>
Pablo :

Prefixed tag for common functions.
Separable form, used as a resumptive pronoun for relative clauses.

Mathias :

Prefixed tag for common function : that's an daring experiment (une premihre mondiale !)

I believe we'll see later that THEME, MODIFIER and PREDICATE cannot be treated
as cases but rather as part of speech (except for a heavy use of resumptive
pronouns) so me must prepare combining tags like Herman said.
I'm OK with Pablo's for now.


>
>2. Parts of speech :
>
>want tag ? : yes/no
Pablo :

That would be a case tag (to distinguish "nouns" [agents, patients, undergoers,
themes] from "verbs" [predicates] from "adjectives" [modifiers, determinants]).
I don't want to have a different tag to mark PoS if the case tag already does that.

Mathias :

So Pablo means : prefixed tag = (case+speech part)

Same for me, because the beginning of words is then devoted to syntactic tags while
the end of the words is devoted to morpho-semantico tags.

But we may also want one speechparttag for 'adverbs' to save using resumptive
pronouns (that, which, whom, whereof, etc) too often which proves very boring
at length :-)

>
>if yes :
>
>prefixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>suffixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>infixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>separable tag ? : yes/no
>
Pablo :
(see above for cases)

Mathias :

same


>if same position for case and speech-part tags :
>
>both tags combined ? : yes/no
>
>if no :
>
>tag opposit end of word ? : yes/no
>
Pablo :
(see above)

Mathias :

same


>3. Genders (lexical classes) :
>
>want 'genders' ? : yes/no
>
Pablo :

Yes, logical gender (person, animate, thing, concept, speech, as I proposed
in another post [a simplification of one of Carlos's schemes]).

Mathias :

Yes, whatever provided they can be guessed from some feature of the noun.

>if yes :
>
>prefixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>suffixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>infixed tag ? : yes/no
>
>separable tag ? : yes/no
Pablo :

Suffixed tag.

Mathias :

Suffixed tags, unless this REALLY ennoy someone else.


>in crossing events :
>
>combined with speech-part tags ? : yes/no
>
>combined with case tags ? : yes/no
Pablo :

I don't understand what "crossing events" mean. But anyway,
I vote no for these -- I think gender and case/PoS tags should
be kept on the opposite ends of words.

Mathias :

Maybe not the right expression : sorry for that :-)

Same as above : syntactic prefixes first to identify the word in the phrase (not
quite in the sentence), then suffixes to precise semantics.


>4. Pre/post-positions :
>
>want pre/post-positions ? : yes/no
>
>preposition ? : yes/no
>
>posposition ? : yes/no
>
>postcase+postposition ? : yes/no
>
>preposition+precase ? : yes/no
>
>precase+postposition ? : yes/no
>
>preposition+postcase ? : yes/no
Pablo :

Precase only, precase + postposition, or postposition only,
according to our needs (will we say "here" or "herein"?).

Mathias :

Whatever : I'm sure pre/postpositions will not be used much because it's easy to use
suspensive and adverbs in SOV language.


>Nota : no comment here on nature of prepositions as :
>
>adverbs = meanwhile
>suspensive verbs = during
>nouns = outside
>'true' prepositions = before

--Pablo Flores ]

--Mathias

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