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Re: Sibilants (was: Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Sunday, August 17, 2008, 16:57
It occurred to me that since Tamil (['t6mIr\`] or
even ['t6mIK\`]!, more nativistically
transliterated "Tamizh") native speakers find "z"
to be a suitable transliteration of that
languages' alveolar obstruent phoneme it probably
has an [D\] allophone beside [r\]. Tamil /t_d/ has
an [D_o] allophone and /t`/ an [r´] allophone.


Benct Philip Jonsson skrev:
> On 2008-08-17 Lars Mathiesen wrote: > > I don't know if anybody has ever tried to > > teach the IPA about red jelly with cream, but > > it's not like Danish is newly discovered so > > they might have corrected their oversight. On > > the other hand, Danish phonological > > literature universally uses D for the > > phoneme, since there's no need to contrast it > > with a dental fricative and the printers used > > to have loads of the curly d's around from > > printing Icelandic. > > > > I have long been of the opinion that the IPA > ought to introduce turned ð (eth) (or lower- > case delta or U+1D06 LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL > ETH) for the Danish sound which to my mind is > markedly different from both the English or > Icelandic sound. The Icelandic sound is clearly > alveolar, [D_-] or [z_m], but the Danish sound > is to boot an approximant [D_-_o] rather than a > fricative (though the gods know [D_-_o] occurs > as an allophone in Icelandic too: _góður_ with > the approximant sounds markedly different from > _góð_ with the fricative. > > I hearby propose [D\] as an abbreviation for [D_- > _o] in CXS. (Yes, I'm in a symbols-proposing > mood today! :-) > > /BP 8^)> > -- > Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch > dotte se > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~- > ~~~~~~~~ > "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires > crient à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues > ni le soleil ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où > elles se *fixent*, c'est qu'elles meurent." > (Victor Hugo) >