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Re: Sibilants (was: Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)

From:Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>
Date:Sunday, August 17, 2008, 15:27
On 2008-08-17 Lars Mathiesen wrote:
 > I don't know if anybody has ever tried to teach
 > the IPA about red jelly with cream, but it's not
 > like Danish is newly discovered so they might
 > have corrected their oversight. On the other
 > hand, Danish phonological literature universally
 > uses D for the phoneme, since there's no need to
 > contrast it with a dental fricative and the
 > printers used to have loads of the curly d's
 > around from printing Icelandic.

I have long been of the opinion that the IPA ought
to introduce turned ð (eth) (or lower-case delta
Danish sound which to my mind is markedly
different from both the English or Icelandic
sound. The Icelandic sound is clearly alveolar,
[D_-] or [z_m], but the Danish sound is to boot an
approximant [D_-_o] rather than a fricative
(though the gods know [D_-_o] occurs as an
allophone in Icelandic too: _góður_ with the
approximant sounds markedly different from _góð_
with the fricative.

I hearby propose [D\] as an abbreviation for [D_-
_o] in CXS. (Yes, I'm in a symbols-proposing mood
today! :-)

/BP 8^)>
Benct Philip Jonsson -- melroch atte melroch dotte
  "C'est en vain que nos Josués littéraires
  crient à la langue de s'arrêter; les langues
  ni le soleil ne s'arrêtent plus. Le jour où
  elles se *fixent*, c'est qu'elles meurent."
  (Victor Hugo)


Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>