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Sibilants (was: Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)

From:John Vertical <johnvertical@...>
Date:Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 14:10
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:25:14 +0800, Eugene Oh wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:06 AM, Mark J. Reed wrote: >> I can handle the initial unaspirated [p], but [ɕ], with or without the [t], >> eludes me. (Actually, I don't even see it on the IPA chart; I'm assuming it's >> the same sound represented by [ç]...)
> I would say that it is a more s-ish version of ç. More sibilant, I should > say.
I find [s\] easier to pronounce than [S], BTW. I used to think I had the latter well down, as it's half-phonemic in Finnish anyway (compareable to the status of [x] in English) - but it turns out I'm actually pronouncing an *apical* postalveolar sibilant. Trying a laminal one tends to come off completely wrong- sounding. I've seen even [C] called a sibilant, but I can't really consider it such; it's basically [x_+] and [x] sure isn't sibilant in any sense. If there is a velar sibilant it's probably one of the realizations of the Swedish /x\/. (One of my first sketchlangs had this sound in voiced, voiceless and affricate forms...) And while I'm on the topic, are there postalveolar *non*-sibilants? An alveolar [T_-] seems to be possible, but not anything further back until we get to dorsal consonants. That's odd. John Vertical


Eugene Oh <un.doing@...>
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