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Re: Sibilants (was: Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)

From:Eugene Oh <un.doing@...>
Date:Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 18:16
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:10 PM, John Vertical <johnvertical@...>wrote:

> > I find [s\] easier to pronounce than [S], BTW. I used to think I had the > latter > well down, as it's half-phonemic in Finnish anyway (compareable to the > status > of [x] in English) - but it turns out I'm actually pronouncing an *apical* > postalveolar sibilant. Trying a laminal one tends to come off completely > wrong- > sounding. > > I've seen even [C] called a sibilant, but I can't really consider it such; > it's > basically [x_+] and [x] sure isn't sibilant in any sense. If there is a > velar > sibilant it's probably one of the realizations of the Swedish /x\/. (One of > my > first sketchlangs had this sound in voiced, voiceless and affricate > forms...) >
The sound it makes is pretty much s-like to my ears...
> > And while I'm on the topic, are there postalveolar *non*-sibilants? An > alveolar > [T_-] seems to be possible, but not anything further back until we get to > dorsal consonants. That's odd. >
That's probably due to the physica structure of our mouths and tongues. The air channels don't get any wider in that range. Eugene