Re: CHAT: Religions (was: Visible planets)

--- Adam Walker <carrajena@...> wrote:
> --- Costentin Cornomorus <elemtilas@...>
> wrote:
> > > And that inspite of the fact that I'm one
> > > of
> > > *those* who believe in a literal sid-day
> > > creation, a world-wide flood and so forth.
> >
> > Enough said.
> >
> > Padraic.
>
> I'm not sure what that comment was meant to
> imply, but neither do I care.
I don't want to get into a debate over Religion
v. Science here. Not with people I like and have
to 'live' with! It's as much a warning to self as
anything else. ;)))

> Now to return YAOTT to something on topic . . .
A happier topic to be sure!

> I've been meaning to ask you how you handle
> relative
> clauses in Kemrese since, IIRC, it is VSO like
> the current version of C-a.
Kerno is indeed VSO, and likes to avoid relative
clauses if it can. Usually they make the
subordinate clause into a participial phrase, or
else two coordinate independent clauses:

Gouethem me l' ommen et c' acel ar churrement.
See I the man and himself on running.
(I se the man who is running.)

Gouethis me l' ommen n' el di le lun et coscurra
ys po-z-el llas.
Saw I the man on Monday and ran he round the
street corner.
(I saw the man who ran around the corner on
Monday.)

A very much older way of handling this situation
is to make an actual relative clause:

Gouethem me l' ommen currese ys po-z-el llas.
See I the man runs-REL he around the corner.

This latter method pretty well disappeared in
speech anyway until Brithenig became more common
in the South. A bastard construction (disparaged
by prescriptivists from all sides) combines the
native and the Brithenig forms:

Gouethem me l' ommen ke currese ys po-z-el llas.
See I the man who runs-REL he around the corner.

It would be more correct (but less Kerno) to say:

Gouethem me l'ommen ke curres ys po-z-el llas.
See I the man who runs he around the corner.

If you can see some obvious situations that might
not fit or might be more difficult, please
mention them! These are just some ad hoc examples
I threw together on the spur of the moment.

Padraic.


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