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Re: /y/?

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Monday, January 14, 2008, 11:13
T. A. McLeay wrote:
> John Vertical wrote: >>> Oh, also I forgot Korean, where I think /y/ and /2/ have generally >>> become in recent times /wi/ and /we/. That's almost boring, but invites >>> the possibility of a suffix apparently causing an epenthetic segment at >>> a distance (e.g. ti+pas > twipas). >>> >>> -- >>> Tristan. >> >> And the opposite difthongization to /ju/ is 'fcors also attested, in >> French >> loans to ME... > > Actually, the nativisation of French /y/ into Middle English was /iw/. > iw > ju: is a later (Modern) change that didn't happen in in all > dialects.
Yep - the early /iw/ or /Iw/ is retained to the present day in welsh varieties of English :)
> This is a nativisation, though, and not a sound-change, so > it's not necessarily a good example of what sound changes are possible.
True - but I would be very surprised if no examples of /y/ --> /iw/ occurred among natlangs as a result of internal sound change. The change of /y/ --> /ju/ must have occurred at an earlier stage in the Tzakonian dialect of modern Greek where we find /skylos/ --> */skjulos/ --> /StSulos/, /kymume/ --> */kjumume/ --> /tSumune/. IMHO /y/ could reasonably diphthongize to /iw/, /uj/, /wi/ or /ju/. -- Ray ================================== ================================== Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitudinem.


Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...>