Re: CHAT: Sakatda Ka Kadomo (was: CHAT: Anglicisms)

kljensen@image.dk writes:
>Old documents from colonial times notes that the people in and
>around Laguna had two names for themselves depending on where they
>lived and the two dialectal divisions at the time. The "Taga Ilog"
>were the tagalog speakers living in the lowland regions ("taga ilog"
>meaning "from the river"). The other tagalog group living in the
>Sierra Madres and called themselves "Taga bondok" ("from the
>mountains"). The Taga-bondoks were a bit different culturally from
>the Taga-ilogs even though they spoke a closely related dialect (if
>not the same language). For instance, the Taga-bondoks practiced
>pellet insertion in their penis (a practice that is related to the
>Visayans) which the Taga-ilogs did not. Nowadays, all the people in
>the region are called "Tagalog", a contraction of "Taga ilog".
You know a lot about the ancient culture. Thanks for sharing, i was going
to ask if you knew anything about the ancient culture =). Anyway, whats
interesting about the penis pellet insertion is that the Yakuza (me
thinks) used to do the same thing. I think i will name them "From the
mountains" in my conculture. I'm also thinking about using the type of
government that the Malay descended tribes used. I do have in front of me
an old book on Philippine history that does share quite a bit about the
pre-hispanic culture, so i can get a lot of the basic cultural stuff like
religion from that. Ay.....reading the section on the negritos, the book
isnt very positive! Anyway..

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>From this, you could have a scenario where the speakers of Sakatda
>Ka Kadomo are perhaps remnants of taga-bondoks. Or maybe a negrito
>tribe that had an "ahibay" (patron) relationship with the
>Taga-bondoks in ancient times. Such relationships are normal among
>negrito tribes. There is even a theory that states that the negritos
>speak 'creolized Austronesian' because of such beneficial
>relationships and since all the negrito tribes today basically speak
>an Austronesian language with a few non-Austronesian terms.
Oooo good stuff. I started constructing the conculture. The people are
mixed ethnically between the Negritos and the Taga-bundoks (or, in my
conlang: Jaka-Butdok). It's kind of a lost tribe type thing where the
Malaysians mixed in with the  Negrito tribes and eventually the tribe is a
mix of features. Also, thanks for the info on the language the negritos
speak. I wasn't sure if it was something else or if it was in fact
Austronesian.
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