Re: USAGE: Fänyläjikyl Inglyx

All true but merely a result of different English dialects.  And plenty
of dictionaries are already labeled as being of Canadian English,
Brittish English, American English, etc...

They offer the standard for the given country in English.  And I shall
momentarly send off the first page of my Brittish Received Standard
dictionary.

My system does NOT have the 14-18 vowels of English, but it is
still better than having five.  The vowels that are very similiar could
be represented by one letter, though possibly this may differ in
different dialects.

And note, I do not offer this as an IALization of English.  But rather
as an excercise. =3D)  I shall send the first page of Brittish RS in a mo=
ment.
Please anyone British, comment about it.  Anyone not... still comment,
but do not expect the pronounciation to reflect Your dialect.  I tell You
now:
it likely will not!


----- Original Message -----
From: John Fisher <john@...>
To: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <CONLANG@...>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: F=E4nyl=E4jikyl Inglyx


In message <015801bf402a$4888eb40$ec706395@andreehome>, Roland Hoensch
<hoensch@...> writes

>F=E4nyl=E4jikyl Inglyx [Phonological English]
>=CFes, it luks ebsolutli horendys.  B=E4t, IMHO, it iz f=E4nyl=E4jikyl t=
u en
>ekstent les dhen dikxyneriz list it, b=E4t mor dhen Inglyx kyryntli d=E4=
z.
>
>Eni th=E4c?  Hez eniw=E4n els tra=EFd tu divajz a f=E4nyl=E4jikyl spelin=
g sistym for
>Inglyx?  M=EB=EFbi w=E4n dhet luks y bit betyr?  Widh en=E4dhyr skript?
>Syrilik, m=EB=EFbi?  A=EF think =C4=EF ma=EFself xel tra=EF samthing =E4=
n dhy lettyr.
>
>End tu giv en egzempyl end let pipyl bi =EBbyl tu fig=EFyr aut dhy veri=EF=
ys
>s=E4un(DZ).
This illustrates some of the problems of reforming the orthography.

It seems that for you, the vowel =E4 appears in "phOnolOgical" and also i=
n
"bUt" and "thOUGHt", for example.  For me, these are all three different
vowels.  You also use the same vowel e in "Absolutely", "Any" and
"Example".  All these are different for me too.

On the other hand you have two different vowels in "EnglIsh", and
they're the same for me.  You also have different vowels in "trIED" and
"devIse", where I have the same one.

Sometimes even the structure of the word is different.  It looks to me
as if you pronounce "dictionary" with four syllables, with the third
having the same vowel as "that".  I say that word with three syllables:
/'dIkS@nrI/.  And in general it seems that your dialect lacks the
syllabic l.  Then there's the post-vocalic r which I don't pronounce at
all.

Problems.

>Obviously the above is biased by my own dialect of English, but
>ideally the 'official' spelling if ever such a system was implemented
>would be derived from the national dictionary.
No dictionary has the necessary international authority.  And no dialect
would ever be accepted by everyone as a universal standard.

--
John Fisher   john@drummond.demon.co.uk   johnf@epcc.ed.ac.uk