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Lips WRT Consonants, Was Re: my iconic alphabet

From:Arthaey Angosii <arthaey@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 1, 2003, 17:28
Emaelivpeith Christophe Grandsire:
>- the affricates "ch" and "j" and the fricatives "sh" and "zh" are *not* >palatal. They are postalveolar. Palatal is the position of for instance the >German fricative "ch" in "ich". It's quite different in sound from the >English "sh".
When you compared the two sounds, my mouth felt compelled to say them aloud, as often happens when I read this mailing list. :) While listening to the difference, I noticed my lips are different too. In German <ch> /C/, my mouth is slightly open and my lips are pretty lax. In contrast, English <sh> /S/ makes my lips form almost the same position as for /u/, only slightly less tense. Is this true for others, or is it a personal eccentricity? If it's more general, is there some what to IPAify to lip position for a consonant? -- AA


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