Re: Lips WRT Consonants, Was Re: my iconic alphabet

Arthaey Angosii wrote:

>When you compared the two sounds, my mouth felt compelled to say them
>aloud, as often happens when I read this mailing list.  :)  While listening
>to the difference, I noticed my lips are different too.  In German <ch>
>/C/, my mouth is slightly open and my lips are pretty lax.  In contrast,
>English <sh> /S/ makes my lips form almost the same position as for /u/,
>only slightly less tense.
>
>Is this true for others, or is it a personal eccentricity?
>
I've been told many times that this is how these consonants are
pronounced in general in English; I only do it before a rounded vowel,*
however.

*oo (/u;/) is not, it seems, rounded for the purposes of this in my
(Australian) English. Maybe it's more diphthongal than it sounds to me...

>If it's more
>general, is there some what to IPAify to lip position for a consonant?
>
Well, with liprounding, it becomes labialised, so I imagine [S_w] would
be it.

Tristan.