--- Christophe Grandsire
<christophe.grandsire@...> wrote: > En réponse à
bnathyuw <bnathyuw@...>:
>
> >
> > |wso| traveller
>
> How do you pronounce that?!
>
/wsO/ !
> > |lro| comedian
/l4O/
> > |bca| sppeaker
/btSa/
> >
> > but my favourite cluster ( not yet initial, but it
> > might become so if i introduce a modification i'm
> > contemplating ) is the one written |hr| and
> pronounced
> > /r\4/ (?!)
> >
>
> Nice!
>
> > |bahret| path /'bar\4Et/
> >
> > ( there's also |hl| /M\l/ and |hln| /M\L\/ which i
> > have a suspicion christophe might approve of )
> >
>
> Indeed!!!! Lovely! In Maggel those would be probably
> (you know how predictable
> Maggel orthography is ;))) ) |hgl| and |hghl|.
>
> Clusters in Maggel are extremely free too. The only
> big restrictions are on
> voice (there is voice assimilation) and the PoA of
> nasals (which tends to
> assimilate with the surrounding consonants). Let's
> see what freaky (and less
> freaky) things I have until now ;))) :
> - initial [L\]: |hluoifais| ['L\u:v&z]: gifts.
> - inital [mb]: |imuohf| ['mbu:]: cows.
> - initial [bK\]: |bltafj| ['bk\Ev]: weird, strange
> (often appears as [DK\] when
> the adjective preceeds a noun ;)))) ).
> - initial [fp]: |f ibaodhoir| ['fpa:x]: among
> (appears as [fT] when the
> composite preposition is followed by a noun).
> - initial [zn]: |snah| ['znaI]: two (often appears
> as [4n]!).
> - initial [kN]: |ignuil| ['kNur]: ten.
> - initial [Gb]: |a hjbone| [@ 'GboUn]: eight.
> - initial [Gv]: |a hdhmuhoir| [@ 'Gvi:Yz]: four
> hundred.
> - initial [mbr]: |a mile| [@ 'mbreId]: last.
> - initial [lp]: |libaejmeo| [lpe'Ne:]: one by one.
> - initial [bdr]: |bdrujmeo| [bdrU'Ne:]: two by two.
> - initial [TM\]: |thgegeo| [TM\@'ge:]: three by
> three.
> - initial [tx]: |idrogeo| [txV'ge:]: four by four.
> - initial [nr]: |niluigeo| [nrU'ge:]: ten by ten.
> - initial [gdv]: |gdhmigseo| [gdv@'ze:]: four
> hundred by four hundred.
>
> I also have nice clusters which didn't show up in
> words yet by are present for
> sure like [sC] or [zj\] :))) .
>
> OK, nothing very Caucasian, but that's not the point
> of it ;))) .
>
bac certainly has |hc| /StS/ and |hj| /ZdZ/ as well as
the seemingly english looking |hs| /hs/ ( which can
also be initial ). in general the spelling rule is
that if |h| or |n| is written after a consonant it
gives the lenited or nasalised form. if it's written
_before_ the vowel it prelenites or prenasalises. you
can also mix and match between the systems
bn
=====
bnathyuw | landan | arR
stamp the sunshine out | angelfish
your tears came like anaesthesia | phèdre
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