> G. Pieterson <kyrawertho@...> wrote:
>
>
>>René Uittenbogaard wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I don't know of any [v] realisations of |w|. I'd say:
>>>
>>>|w| - [w] or [v\]
>>>|v| - [v] or [v_0]
>>>|f| - [f]
>>>
>>>
>>>>
http://rudhar.com/fonetics/fvw.htm
>>
>>That's strange, I have never heared of anyone distinguishing between
>>V and F in Dutch. It all sounds like /f/ to me, or maybe voiced a bit
>>between two vowels. Same thing for S vs. Z.
>
>
> I have the impression that some speakers do make a difference,
> although the difference between [v_0] and [f] is small.
> But maybe there are speakers who pronounce |v| and |f| alike, and any
> perceived difference in their speech is probably "wishful hearing"
> on my part?
>
> Between |s| and |z|, it's the same thing, I suppose.
>
> René