Re: OT Van Gogh (was: Yogh in the news)

G. Pieterson <kyrawertho@...> wrote:

> René Uittenbogaard wrote:
>
> >I don't know of any [v] realisations of |w|. I'd say:
> >
> >|w| - [w] or [v\]
> >|v| - [v] or [v_0]
> >|f| - [f]
> >
> >> http://rudhar.com/fonetics/fvw.htm
>
> That's strange, I have never heared of anyone distinguishing between
> V and F in Dutch. It all sounds like /f/ to me, or maybe voiced a bit
> between two vowels. Same thing for S vs. Z.
I have the impression that some speakers do make a difference,
although the difference between [v_0] and [f] is small.
But maybe there are speakers who pronounce |v| and |f| alike, and any
perceived difference in their speech is probably "wishful hearing"
on my part?

Between |s| and |z|, it's the same thing, I suppose.

René

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