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R: Re: "y" and "r"

From:Mangiat <mangiat@...>
Date:Sunday, April 1, 2001, 16:48
Nik wrote:

> Raymond Brown wrote: > > I would > > assume, and I guess most others would, that it'd be the way an educated > > Italian speaking what most text books give as standard Italian. > > But there's no such standard in English. There is such a standard if > you're specifying British English, but American English has no such > standard, it seems to have regional standards. I'm not sure if > Australian English has such a standard, but at any rate, there's > definitely no standard for "World English". >
Italian hasn't an established standard, as well. Besides different dialects and languages spoken in the peninsula (the Etnologue lists about 30 different languages), there is also in the way one pronounces the national language great difference between this and that region, or even between this and that town within the same region. The most troublesome problem is the realization of the infamous couplets /e/ - /E/ and /o/ - /O/. For istance, the way Tuscanians pronounce a word should be the rule; yet the notorious realization of the phoneme [k] as /k_h/,/x/ or /h/ or of [t] as /t_h/ or /T/ is peculiar of the Tuscanian pronounciation, and doesn't belong to the national language. Then there's the sentence's intonation, by means of which every Italian speaker can understand where is the guy he's talking to from (hey, after the recent thread about relative clauses I seriously doubt the correctness of this last one. Would this cacophonious 'to from' be allowed?) Luca


Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...>
John Cowan <cowan@...>
Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>Language standards (was: "y" and "r")
Amanda Babcock <langs@...>
Dan Jones <feuchard@...>