Re: Brithenig

On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, BP Jonsson wrote:

>Jón Kávan hinn blóðugi skrifaði:
>
>Are there any speakers of Brythonic Celtic left in the Brightenig
>universe?
No. They died out (or rather, started speaking Romance!); so
that Celtic was dead by the 10th century or so. A strange turn
of fate brought to light one measly text in Brythonic Celtic;
and it wasn't even written by a native speaker:

Piran noebos conccarantebo treibo andepennom ddeiom ttreiom aremmore
morissit. Enccurucumaaru moriantes ac laidinoebias salmos pe suenantes
adenisitin ccassinom ccolinnom ue nion adencissont. Piran Noebos
nemetonem sodiossit ac offerenden toarebberer. Andepennom deiom ttreio
laidias offerendas pe suenantes adsodissier. ac enistis uoibo, noebiu
essicarantebo pe, ea guelossit. Ac ei esgallioni esaresodissier.
Ettias mucomoriom petur pennom pe uerdromenen pe adcessiont. Buet
mocomoris noebi ccaranton pe ittionen eperentississe. Piran Noebos
ea lame touerccabit ac laidinoebias suenand mucomoris sunnossier.
Noebos conccarantebo to curucom attecissont ac aremmore esmorissiont.

Being a portion of the Voyages of St. Peran cycle. It's the one where
St. Perran and his cohorts land on an isle in the misty sea, and after
a few days the island moves and turns out to be a bloody great whale
that wants to eat them. The St. overcomes the whale with an
enchantment and they all exeunt stage left to the safety of the boat.

>I guess this is very much tied up with And's question regarding
>the linguistic fate of Breton and Brittany.  I suppose that if "Rhaifun"
>had his way the encroachment of Francien upon Breton that has happened here
>would be reversed there -- with a lot of Breton influence on Francien for
>him to sort out? :-)  In that case I guess that there it would be Brittany
>that is called "Pays des Galles"!
I think Paris more or less leaves them alone, so long as they pay
their taxes, etc. Now it would be of interest to know how much of an
effect the Breton Romance had on Francien, if any.

>
>Or perhaps Lyonesse is still above sea and Brythonic there!
:)

>
>En Andrés af Rostu spurði fleira:
>
> > 3. Was there Norwegian settlement of Lancashire? Did the Danelaw include
> > parts of Kemr?
> >
> > 4. Is the Isle of Man Manx-speaking in the Brithening universe?
>
>Could the Isle of Man possibly be speaking a descendant of Old Norse in the
>Brightenig universe?  As it happens I have a sketch of such a lang
>(Q-Celtic-influenced!) lying around.  Of course I would be delighted if
>Maneyx could win citizenship in the Brightenig universe.  I guess that is
>up to Andrés Smiðr to decide...
>
To my knowledge, no one has claimed Man yet. :) Also to my knowledge,
we never figured out _hwat_ exactly the history of Man was.

Padraic.