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Re: Virama

From:Barry Garcia <barry_garcia@...>
Date:Tuesday, March 28, 2000, 23:11
> > >Hmmm... on second thought, you might want to keep the mark for /e/ >when marking /o/ since /au/ is prototypically marked by using the >mark for /e/ twice and the mark for /a:/ once. I apologize for being >extremely vague when I just said that /au/ was a variant of /o/. >I think the reason why Buginese can suffice without the mark for >/e/ to represent /o/ is because it does not represent diphthongs. >So it would not need to represent /e/ twice to represent /au/. >But perhaps you can come up with some other reason why the >prototypical mark for /e/ would disappear when marking /o/ and /au/ >in Ranaka.
Hmm I think i'll use e and a fossilized diacritic for aa. The lay out is subscript e and fossilized aa to the right. Although it seems that the scripts that dont circumfix the two diacritics put the mark for e at the top. I also noticed for /au/ there is a lengthener mark (as the Unicode charts called it) used with the e diacritic. Perhaps I can add a fossilized lengthener mark to represent /au/ (which would now have no purpose other than for making a dependent /au/ sound).
> > > > >But keep them historically motivated if you want to be realistic. >Perhaps the consonants with a virama got reinterpreted as diacritics. >So /ei/ for instance could be represented by the diacritic for /e/ >combined with another diacritic that developed from /j/ + virama >ligature. >
Here's what I thought up: Originally, to represent dependent /ej/ /oj/ /iw/ sounds, they used y with virama, and w with virama. Over time, the shapes of the two glyphs plus their viramas were connected, and mutated to the form they are today (a kind of squiggle type mark). A gif of the new version of the diacritic system is here: http://student.monterey.edu/dh/garciabarryjames/world/SaaDiacr.gif It's basically what I understand from the posts on this topic. ________________________________________________ It's worth the risk of burning, to have a second chance...