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Re: Language and "mysticism," whatever that is.

From:D Tse <exponent@...>
Date:Sunday, April 29, 2001, 7:51
> 1) How many of you old- and new-comers started inventing a language > in isolation from the list?
I'm a relative newcomer and I started my journey independent to this list.
> > 1a) If so, how old were you?
It was only 2 or 3 years ago... I'm only of teenage age even now!
> 1b) Was it a project with friends or a solitary project?
A solitary project. Alone...
> 1b) Did your invented language have some kind of private purpose? > esoteric? erotic? religious or mystical?
No, I don't know, the idea just appealed to me. You know, it was "why doesn't anyone else do this?" at the time...though I would entertain the fact that you could mutter things to yourself and sound sophisticated too :) So, yes, in some ways as a private purpose.
> > Since the topic of my panel is "the language of > mysticism," > I'm especially interested in this last. > > 2) How many of you newcomers heard of the list first and thought-- > Wow! I think I'll try my hand at conlanging!
I sure didn't, I actually learned of it from a Laadan site with awkward purple decor :) that still exists, I seem to have found.
> > 3) How many of you, when you were starting out on this on your own, > did this kind of thing: you have a list of words you want to invent > new ones for, so you drew di-and polysyllabic words out of the air. > This is what I did when I was new at this and a teenager. Many of these
still
> remain vocabulary words in Teonaht, but I've since then learned to build > up through word roots.
At first, I didn't seem to have many ideas, and applied exotic sound changes to foreign words to make them sound nothing like their originals, but I've been more imaginative since then.
> > 4) If so, how important was it that the new word sound "exotic," > "beautiful," or "suggestive" in some personal way of the word you wanted
it to stand
> for?
Yes, sometimes failing the above you would think of the word as a concept and see if some sort of sound came to mind.
> > 5) How many of you invented words to express concepts that could not be > expressed in your native language?
I haven't been that original yet...my lexicon is quite scarce compared to the others here...
> > 6) How many of you used it for prayer? For secrecy?
No.
> > 7) For how many of you was it an intellectual exercise?
Yes, a way to express in my own way how I thought sometimes.
>
> 8) A language for a conculture?
The (in my opinion) awkward conculture came after the language.
> > 9) How many of you newcomers (and I see a lot of names I don't > recognize > in the six months I've been away) heard of the list first and thought-- > Wow! I think I'll try my hand at conlanging!
2) How many of you newcomers heard of the list first and thought-- Wow! I think I'll try my hand at conlanging! My, almost verbatim :) Indeed I have only been on this list for only half a year or a bit more.
> > 10) What is your definition of a mystical language? Would any of you > characterize your conlang as such?
An esoteric language used to differentiate or exclude the laypeople from the mystic community, perhaps, but commonly a language that has links to the unseen and unknown (if such things exist).
> > > Yry poy poy firrimby, talk to you soon! > Sally Caves > ========================================================== > scaves@frontiernet.net > http://www.frontiernet.net/~scaves/whatsteo.html > http://www.frontiernet.net/~scaves/teonath.html > http://english.uq.edu.au/mc/0003/languages.html > > Niffodyr tweluenrem lis teuim an. > "The gods have retractible claws." > from _The Gospel of Bastet_ > ============================================================ >