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Esperanto, flame-wars (was: Re: Unilang: the Morphology)

From:Dan Jones <feuchard@...>
Date:Saturday, April 21, 2001, 23:50
Raymond Brown wrote:

> At 1:38 pm -0400 20/4/01, David Peterson wrote: > >In a message dated 4/20/01 10:11:34 AM, ray.brown@FREEUK.COM writes: > > > ><< According to the conventional wisdom in Auxland, Esperanto should be
> > > >least successful of those three languages. Pity facts upset theory :) >> > > > > Why does everyone seem to be so against Esperanto? > > Eh?? WHO??
I don't believe he was referring to anyone in particular. It's just a fact among many linguists (not just auxlangers) snobbery towards Esperanto is the norm- after all, it was created by an oculist who didn't know the first thing about linguistics. My pet peeve about it is the hideous consonant clusters- but that doesn't mean I'm against Esperanto- I dislike the way German sounds- yet I still did a CHE in it.
> As far as I have seen in the last couple of years or so, at least, there
> no-one on this present this is "so against Esperanto".
Did he say there was?
> >It works, and it's > >survived--thrives, no less. I've never heard of Volapük being taught at > >college campuses, > > Klingon works, survives and thrives! So what?
IAL Klingon- it has my vote! I think the point David was trying to make is that although E-o was envisioned as an IAL, it doesn't really matter if it achieves this goal- it's just another conlang made good. I wish I could say the same for Cuole or Carashan!
> YAWN!!!! > > I've heard all this stuff _AD NAUSEAM_ on Auxlang. I quitted that list > because I was fed up, among other things, at the petty peevishness of some > Esperantists, Glosa-pe & others. I hoped we could be spared it here.
IMHO, this does sound rather petty-peevish itself. Why not just let the comment pass? [snip]
> Please, please let's not have Esperantine flame-wars on this list after > they've been absent for such a long time. There is another list for those > who want them.
I don't want to sound like to seem like I'm setting myself up as judge and jury here, but it always seems to be the same people who start the flame wars. You know who you are, I don't need to name names (I've done it myself a couple of times, but I've behaved myself since the Easter before last ;o) ). Please, let's stop taking offence at implied corrections etc and talk about conlanging- otherwise we could have a second AUXLANG on our hands. Dan ----------------------------------------------- Ka yokonáu iti báyan: "cas'alyá abhiyo". Ka tso iti mantabayan: "yama zaláyá alánekayam la s'alika, cas'alika; ka yama yavarryekayan arannáam la vácika, labekayam vácika, ka ali cas'alyeko vanotira." ----------------------------------------------- Dan Jones


Henrik Theiling <theiling@...>
Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...>Apologia pro verbis suis (wasR: Esperanto, flame-wars (was: Re: Unilang: the Morphology))