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Re: Phonemic vowel and consonant length.

From:Nik Taylor <yonjuuni@...>
Date:Sunday, February 2, 2003, 5:28
Steven Williams wrote:
> 2. I heard tell that Old Japanese lacked a phonemic vowel length > distinction, but modern Japanese does--I may be wrong, but I'm sure > there's a language somewhere that's gained the contrast somehow, where > there was none before. How would this come about?]
Correct. In fact, Old Japanese was almost entirely CV, except that V-initial words were possible. Vowel length originated from several causes. One was loss of certain consonants, for example, the adjective suffix -i was originally -ki, thus, words that now end in -ii were originally -iki. /p/ between vowels often became /w/ (thru the intermediary of /P/), and subsequently was lost except before /a/, creating new vowel clusters, some of which became long vowels. IIRC, the Latin accusative plural suffixes -o:s and -a:s were derived from -ons and -ans. When the /n/'s were lost, there was compensatory lengthening of hte previous vowel. Uatakassi derived its long vowels from four sources: 1) early Uatakassi /x/ (itself derived from SF /k/ < /k@/)), 2) early /G/ (< SF /g/ < /g@/), 3) early /X/ (< SF /q/ < /q@/), 4) loss of /h/ which, when between identical vowels, created long vowels.
> 3. Quite a few languages hold phonemic consonant length > contrasts--Italian, Japanese, Finnish and so on. Is it at all common, > or even possible, to have a three-level distinction? In stops?
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a language that did that, but I don't know of any. -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42