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Re: Conlangs on based Slavic languages...etc

From:John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date:Tuesday, September 9, 2003, 18:40
Joe scripsit:

> PIE is defined in terms of the IE language family, not the other way around.
The point is that at the time Hittite was deciphered and discovered to be related to the IE languages, we already had a fairly well established notion labeled "PIE". It was fairly clear that Hittite was quite different from the hitherto known IE languages, and some people believed that incorporating it into the PIE reconstruction would create an entirely different proto-language. Labeling this new proto-language "PIE" as well would cause nothing but confusion, so the new name "Indo-Hittite" was proposed for it. This is exactly what was done when the aboriginal languages of Taiwan were found to be related to the existing Malayo-Polynesian family: a new top-level name "Austronesian" was introduced, covering both Malayo-Polynesian and the Formosan (Taiwanese) languages. (PIE drools, PAN rules. Happy now, Roger?) In the end, Hittite hasn't had that much of an effect on PIE, and most IE-ists simply use the null hypothesis that it is one more branch much like the rest. The cladistic work at UPenn, however, which is focused on finding binary branching points, does identify Hittite as maximally distinct from the other IE languages -- but the identification rests on a single characteristic. -- Knowledge studies others / Wisdom is self-known; John Cowan Muscle masters brothers / Self-mastery is bone; jcowan@reutershealth.com Content need never borrow / Ambition wanders blind; www.ccil.org/~cowan Vitality cleaves to the marrow / Leaving death behind. --Tao 33 (Bynner)

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