Re: question on sampa representation

On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 16:00, John Cowan wrote:
> In IPA proper, the vowel you mention is represented by an upside-down V;
> in X-SAMPA it's a V.  In American English, [V] and [@] represent stressed
> and unstressed forms of the same phoneme, conventionally written /@/,
> which is probably the source of your confusion.  In other Englishes,
> they are distinct phonemes.
I'm just wondering... is the vowel in words like 'fur' (which I think is
normally written as /f@r/) the same phoneme again in American English?
That, I guess, would explain the way Americans pronounce 'hurry' and
'furry' as rhymes, and why they tend to use 'ur' as the sound /"@r/,
which I've always thought of as 'er'.

> The X-SAMPA-annotated IPA chart at
> http://www.i-foo.com/~kturtle/misc/xsamchart.gif is excellent for
> matching printed IPA symbols with on-line X-SAMPA ones.  I have
> just exercised my substantial chutzpah [xUtsp@] and sent a note
> to J.C. Wells about it, along with the SAMPA to IPA translator at
> http://odur.let.rug.nl/~kleiweg/sampa/translate.html .
Chutzpah? J. C. Wells?

Tristan.

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