Re: question on sampa representation

Roger Mills wrote at 2003-03-25 00:16:58 (-0500)
 > Rachel Klippenstein wrote:
 >
 >
 > > Tim May  wrote:
 > > >Joe Fatula wrote (...)
 > > >>Can anyone think of another word that has this
 > > >>vowel before "l"?  I'm wondering if the prescence
 > > >>of "l" has anything to do with this in my
 > > >>idiolect.
 > >
 > > >"Bull". (At least, in my (~RP) speech.)
 > >
 > > and "full"
 > >
 > > hmm, they all start with labials.
 >
 > Not all (actually palatals and dentals are rarest).........
 > cull, gull, mull, null, dull, lull, cult, gulf, gulp, skull, bulb, pulp,
 > mulct, mulch, pulse
 > ultra, sultry, pulley, gully, sully, lullaby, fulminate, culminate,
 > refulgent, culprit, culpable, re/im/com/pulsive, inculcate,
 > Schultz, Mullins, Stull (but names don't count).......
 > and no doubt others.
 >

I've thought of another - wool.

(Of the examples above, these are my pronunciations;  I've given them
as phonemes, as I'm not 100% certain of how I realize them.

/U/
pulley.

/V/
cull, gull, mull, null, dull, lull, cult, gulf, gulp, skull, bulb,
pulp, mulch, pulse, ultra, sultry, gully, sully, lullaby, culprit,
culpable, re/im/com/pulsive, culminate, culprit.

Which leaves:

mulct: this word is not even in my passive vocabulary (or wasn't, at
any rate - I've looked it up now).

fulminate: I don't know.  At first I thought "/V/, definitely", as in
culminate, but on reflection perhaps /U/ is correct... in the actual
phonetic realization, there isn't much of a vowel there anyway, I
think the /lm/ cluster forces most of the preceding syllable to be a
lateral approximant.

refulgent: similar to fulminate

inculcate: I think I've been mispronouncing this for years - I thought
it was "inculate", which changes things quite a lot!

Schultz, Mullins, Stull: My first response would be /U/, /V/ and /V/
respectively, but I'm inclined to go with however the person in
question pronounces it themselves.)