Re: Russian-based pidgins (was: Zelandish)

Pavel Iosad wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
> > > Oh! You know about Russo-norsk and Sino-Russian?! That's
> > great! I'm amazed! Unfortunately there are very few materials
> > on these issues. Do you have / know-where-to-find any in the Web?
> > >
> > Unfortunately not.  I have seen references to Russo-norsk in
> > a couple of
> > books in the past.  I don't think I encounter Sino-Russian
> > before I read
> > Pidgins and Creoles by Ian Holm (I think).  There was a little
> > information about both pidgins but I don't think it had anything on
> > surzhik.
>
>And rightly so. The surzhik is nowhere near being a pidgin. It is quite
>truly a mixture of Russian and Ukrainian, forming a bit of a
>transitional zone between the two languages. It has a phonoogy different
>from both R and Ukr: thus it has [G] instead of R [g] (as do most
>Russian proper dialects of the south) and Ukr voiced [h] (forgot the
>SAMPA). It has however the Ukrainian [w] instead of
>preconsonantal/auslaut [v].  It has no palatalized sibilants and
>affricates (Russian has only [tS_j], and Ukr has a whole load of them).
>The prosodic patterns are closer to Ukrainian. In morphology, mosr
>dialects are closer to Russian than to Ukrainian (thus, no simple future
>tense, and most endings usually Russian - like _-ov_ and not _-iv_ in
>2nd decl. gen. pl - but of course pronounced [ow]!). The lexis is quite
>normal for that region - it shares a lot with Ukrainian and southern
>Russian dialects, and thus more like Ukrainian than standard Russian.
>
>But it has a full-fledged morphology, and the source of its lexis is not
>one of the languages, but both.
>
Is it a transitional dialect, or his it a later-arisen mixture of R and Ukr?
If the later, what caused the rise of a such mixture?

                                                 Andreas

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