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Re: planets

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Wednesday, December 22, 1999, 1:01
Ajin-Kwai wrote:
> > Ummm, I'm just wondering what makes us assume that ANY higher animal > showing "intelligence" is not sentient (octopii, chimpanzees, dolphins,etc.)
Well, then why don't we say that ants are sentient? We have to have something to define sentience, or intelligence, for that matter. Maybe ants are really super-intelligent, but their thought-processes are so alien from ours that we can't understand them? Sentience is, of course, a poorly-defined concept at best, but I'd say that language is a part of it, and there's been no evidence of language in non-human animals, except MAYBE (and this is highly doubtful, IMO) chimpanzees (and even there, AFAIK, no one's claimed that it exists in nature) - but I don't want to get into THAT discussion again. Obviously, there's no way to prove that they DON'T have language either, but I feel that with the evidence we have, it's more likely that they don't. Also, I've heard that many dolphin experts say that claims of dolphin intelligence are greatly exaggerated - that they're really not much smarter than cats or dogs, that they're sense of play misleads humans into thinking of them as more intelligent. Whether or not that's true, I'm not qualified to say. Also, I've noticed that people tend to assign intelligence to the cute dolphins, but are less willing to assign it to the less cute octopi. -- "Old linguists never die - they just come to voiceless stops." - anonymous http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/Conlang/W.html http://members.tripod.com/~Nik_Taylor/Books.html ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTailor