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Re: `bin' or `ibn' Ladin?

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, October 31, 2001, 8:35
En réponse à David Peterson <DigitalScream@...>:

> And, of course, I meant [?asaam], not [?asaan]. Oops! And the way > they > keep starting it with "o" makes me wonder if it's not an alef waw > initial > cluster which can give rise to [o] in some dialects. > > -David >
I thought that the first vowel of his first name was 'u' [?usaam] (I've seen it written Usama a lot, and I though that [o] was a usual rendition of /u/ in many dialects). Oh! And I found this about the ibn/bin problem (http://libweb.princeton.edu/katmandu/persian/percat.html): "Arabic word ibn or bin Arabic word ibn or bin "son of" occurring in names of the Islamic type usually appear in Persian Orthography as ibn at the beginning of a name and as bin (abbreviated in the middle of the name). Always use ibn." So maybe that's the answer for this problem. Christophe. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.