Re: rhotics (was: Hellenish oddities)
|From:||Carlos Thompson <carlos_thompson@...>|
|Date:||Monday, November 27, 2000, 22:14|
BP Jonsson skrev:
> Keith Alasdair Mylchreest wrote on how to trill r's:
> >Try saying [tr] or perhaps [tDr], I think that's how I finally gotthere.
> That won't help those many Americans whose /tr/ and /dr/ are in fact[.t.s]
> and [.d.z], i.e. retroflex affricates...
> I understand that I'm fortunate to be a native speaker of a languagewhich
> has several allophones of /r/ -- apical, uvular, taps, trills,fricatives,
> approximants -- in idiolectal and dialectal variation, tho truth tosay the
> "weaker" variants predominate. Since childhood I can manage a broadrange
> of these allophones, tho alveolar tap and retroflex approximantpredominate
> in my own ordinary speech, distributed according to ratherconsistent
> rules: pre- and inter-vocalic /r/ is the tap, and post-vocalic isthe
I usually pronounced Swedish /r:/ as my Spanish trilled /rr/ and
Swedish short /r/ as my Spanish flapped /r/ and it represented no
problem for me (I wonder if that's a typical Spanish accent of
> I wonder how widespread lgs with more than one "r" phoneme are?Spanish is
> famous for its r/rr, Portuguese and Occitan have r/R, but beyond
> that? What about people's conlangs? Wanic has a slew of lateralsbut only
> one rhotic.
Hangkerimce has one phonemic rhotic which is realized in several ways,
including non-rhotic ways as [w]. The rules are not clear now.
Chleweyish has also one phonemic rhotic which could be realized as
In consonant clusters is an alveolar tap.
After a long stressed vowel is an retroflex approximant, unless
followed by an alveolar when dissapears but passes retroflexivity to
After a short stressed vowel is an alveolar trill.
After an unstressed vowell is free variation as alveolar or
retroflex tap or approximant.
Syllable initial is an alveolar trill on stressed syllables or a tap
in unstressed ones.
Biwa has also one phonemic rhotic which:
As short coda sonorant is a retroflex approximant or tap and
lenghtens previous stressed vowel.
As long coda sonorant is a trill and shortens the previous stressed
As a coda sonorant in a cluster is a retroflex tap, lenghtening of
previus vowel is determinated by obtruent consonant.
As a coda in unstressed syllables is syllabic and replaces the
In the onset is an alveolar trill.
In Moscha there are bilabial, alveolar and uvular trills.
-- Carlos Th