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Re: rhotics (was: Hellenish oddities)

From:Carlos Thompson <carlos_thompson@...>
Date:Monday, November 27, 2000, 22:14
BP Jonsson skrev:

> Keith Alasdair Mylchreest wrote on how to trill r's: > > >Try saying [tr] or perhaps [tDr], I think that's how I finally got
> > That won't help those many Americans whose /tr/ and /dr/ are in fact
> and [.d.z], i.e. retroflex affricates... > > I understand that I'm fortunate to be a native speaker of a language
> has several allophones of /r/ -- apical, uvular, taps, trills,
> approximants -- in idiolectal and dialectal variation, tho truth to
say the
> "weaker" variants predominate. Since childhood I can manage a broad
> of these allophones, tho alveolar tap and retroflex approximant
> in my own ordinary speech, distributed according to rather
> rules: pre- and inter-vocalic /r/ is the tap, and post-vocalic is
> approximant.
I usually pronounced Swedish /r:/ as my Spanish trilled /rr/ and Swedish short /r/ as my Spanish flapped /r/ and it represented no problem for me (I wonder if that's a typical Spanish accent of Swedish).
> I wonder how widespread lgs with more than one "r" phoneme are?
Spanish is
> famous for its r/rr, Portuguese and Occitan have r/R, but beyond > that? What about people's conlangs? Wanic has a slew of laterals
but only
> one rhotic.
Hangkerimce has one phonemic rhotic which is realized in several ways, including non-rhotic ways as [w]. The rules are not clear now. Chleweyish has also one phonemic rhotic which could be realized as followed: In consonant clusters is an alveolar tap. After a long stressed vowel is an retroflex approximant, unless followed by an alveolar when dissapears but passes retroflexivity to dental. After a short stressed vowel is an alveolar trill. After an unstressed vowell is free variation as alveolar or retroflex tap or approximant. Syllable initial is an alveolar trill on stressed syllables or a tap in unstressed ones. Biwa has also one phonemic rhotic which: As short coda sonorant is a retroflex approximant or tap and lenghtens previous stressed vowel. As long coda sonorant is a trill and shortens the previous stressed vowel. As a coda sonorant in a cluster is a retroflex tap, lenghtening of previus vowel is determinated by obtruent consonant. As a coda in unstressed syllables is syllabic and replaces the vowel. In the onset is an alveolar trill. In Moscha there are bilabial, alveolar and uvular trills. -- Carlos Th