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Re: rhotics (was: Hellenish oddities)

From:Yoon Ha Lee <yl112@...>
Date:Saturday, November 25, 2000, 16:34
On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, BP Jonsson wrote:

> Keith Alasdair Mylchreest wrote on how to trill r's: > > >Try saying [tr] or perhaps [tDr], I think that's how I finally got there. > > That won't help those many Americans whose /tr/ and /dr/ are in fact [.t.s] > and [.d.z], i.e. retroflex affricates...
<wry g> I honestly don't know how I figured out the flap, except lots of torturing people around me while I choked on my own tongue trying to learn it. A friend suggested repeating [d] rapidly. Occasionally it *almost* works. <wry look> And no, I can't whistle properly. I can't throat-sing either, despite trying those websites; I do seem to remember that one of them said it's harder for women to learn. It's not fair. <sigh> [snip]
> I wonder how widespread lgs with more than one "r" phoneme are? Spanish is > famous for its r/rr, Portuguese and Occitan have r/R, but beyond > that? What about people's conlangs? Wanic has a slew of laterals but only > one rhotic.
Korean has some form of r that I *can* produce, which sounds kind of but not quite like a tap. (The American approximant? also suffices, considering the number of Americans in and around Seoul.) In syllable-final position the r manifests as an [l], I think. My conlang has a single rhotic, and I figure that different "r" sounds are used by different dialects, but I haven't worked this out yet. YHL