Re: Nouns from Verbs

--- "Mark J. Reed" <markjreed@...> wrote:

> In Okaikiar, infinitive verbs are grammatically
> nouns, and they
> refer to the occurrance of the action.  That
> is, the verb for
> "to kick" means "kicking" - either in general,
> or a specific
> instance.   I think "a kicking" is pretty close
> to "a kick", so in this instance the noun and
> the verb are one.
I'm not sure I'd agree. As a matter of fact,
they're entirely different for me. When I hear
"she gave him a good kick in the pants" or "he
gave the dog a kick"; those are abstractions, an
isolated tableau, the ghost of an action. When I
hear "they gave him a good kicking" or similar,
it's a process, a sequence of movement.

A minor difference, but one worth not glossing
over. And I snipped that you see the difference
between "love" and "loving" - curious!

Talarian specifically has several types of verbal
nouns that answer various needs in naming actions
without getting into actual conjugated verb
forms. There is the infinitive (xâtam, go), the
agent (xâtomtar, goer, traveller), the action
noun (xâttan, a going, like kicking above), the
supine (xâtom), and two stative noun forms
(xâtôs, a trip, a going gone; and xâtros, a trip,
a going going). The supine, depending on case, is
used to create phrasal verbs of need, purpose or
result.

Padraic.


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