Re: Nouns from Verbs

--- Rob Haden <magwich78@...> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 02:33:11 -0700, Costentin
> Cornomorus
> <elemtilas@...> wrote:
>
> >Talarian specifically has several types of
> verbal
> >nouns that answer various needs in naming
> actions
> >without getting into actual conjugated verb
> >forms. There is the infinitive (xâtam, go),
> the
> >agent (xâtomtar, goer, traveller), the action
> >noun (xâttan, a going, like kicking above),
> the
> >supine (xâtom), and two stative noun forms
> >(xâtôs, a trip, a going gone; and xâtros, a
> trip,
> >a going going). The supine, depending on case,
> is
> >used to create phrasal verbs of need, purpose
> or
> >result.
>
> Interesting.  Is there any kind of Ablaut
> process involved, or is the
> root/stem xât-?
Yes. To both. Xât- derives from *ghê- plus a stem
extending -t- (in T it is a substantive and verb
forming affix). Ablaut shows up in the verbal
conjugation. The Active Punctual conjugation is
accented on the root, so â is the vowel; the
Middle Punctual is accented on the ending, so ê
is the new root vowel. The Durative conjugation
shows â in the singular and ô in the plural
forms; and the Stative conjugation shows ô at all
times. Of course, this works best for verbal
roots in "a", as they show all ablaut grades.

> Are "â" and "ô" contract vowels or long vowels
> (or something else)?
The â of the root is an actual long vowel. I
think the ô of the stative nouns is a long vowel
as well. Verb endings show a few contract vowels:
xâtâ = I am going, which is from xâtoâ. Also of
interest is that -â is the 1s Stative ending,
which has migrated to the Active conjugations,
supplanting the original forms.

> Is there any syncretism
> between nominal and verbal
> inflections (if you have those)?
Not sure about that. What is it exactly?

Padraic.


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