Re: Common Orcish Article (Long) - was Re: tolkien?

--- Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>
wrote:

> I have also spent some thought on an Orc
> language phonology.  My idea
> was to eliminate all labial and labialized
> phonemes, because the Orcs
> with their underbites and big fangs cannot make
> a proper lip closure,
> nor can they round their lips, at least not
> without tremendous effort.
> This also means that you cannot lip-read an Orc
> ;-)
I rather think it will depend on the physiology
of the Orcs in question. I can not accept that
Tolkien's Orcs can't round their lips or
whatever. Because they are, essentially, Elves.
Ruined and hateful, perhaps, but physically and
genetically Elves.

Not that the motion pictures can be taken at more
than face value; watching the Orcs therein shows
them with very expressive mouths quite capable of
lip rounding.

And look at the corpus of Orckish. They've got
enough Us in there to indicate the ability to
round their lips.

Now, if you're positing a different sort of Orc
entirely, then of course the field is wide open.

> The Elves who speak Hesperic (my language
> family formerly known as "Q")
> are 100% human, and thus, their oral cavities
> are within human norm,
> and Hesperic phonology is within that, too.
Glad to see they have a name at last! H is still
largely I-E, yes?

Padraic.



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