Re: Common Orcish Article (Long) - was Re: tolkien?

Quoting Jörg Rhiemeier <joerg_rhiemeier@...>:

> Hallo!
>
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:21:26 +0100,
> Andreas Johansson <andjo@...> wrote:
>
> > > Quoting Roger Mills <romilly@...>:
> >
> > > Andreas Johansson wrote:
> > > (Yargish, as it happens, does have
> > > > a pair of labiodental fricatives; unlike the normal situation in human
> > > speech,
> > > > they are typically pronounced with the lower teeth against the upper
> lip.)
> > > >
> > > GMTA!!!
> >
> > I'm unfamiliar with that acronym, unfortunataly.
>
> So am I.
>
> > > That's how /f/ and /v/ are supposed to be pronounced in Kash; I
> > > guess they have a under-bite......but alternatively they can be bilabial
> > > (mainly for my benefit, so I don't dislocate my jaw.)
> >
> > The Yargish, like any dice gods-fearing RPG/RTS Orcs, have massive lower
> jaws
> > and hefty underbites, whence the "reversed" labiodentals (is there any
> ready-
> > made terms to refer to the two kinds of labiodentals?).
>
> How about "dentilabials"?
Perhaps. I rather like the sound of it!

> I have also spent some thought on an Orc language phonology.  My idea
> was to eliminate all labial and labialized phonemes, because the Orcs
> with their underbites and big fangs cannot make a proper lip closure,
> nor can they round their lips, at least not without tremendous effort.
> This also means that you cannot lip-read an Orc ;-)
Interestingly, save that I decided to allow dentilabial frics, that's just
what I concluded too. Great minds obviously think alike!

Not thought about the lip-reading aspect, but it does make sense. I'll have to
spin something around that some day.

                                                           Andreas

PS Latest and possibly ugliest Meghean word; _aeohas_ "non-existence".

                                                        Andreas

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