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Re: YEAPT: f/T (was Re: Other Vulgar Latins?)

From:Joe <joe@...>
Date:Wednesday, February 22, 2006, 10:56
>On 22/02/06, Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> wrote: > > >>On 2/21/06, Tristan Alexander McLeay <conlang@...> wrote: >> >> >>>>>infuse enthuse >>>>> >>>>> >>>I would consider them to be /Infju\:s/ vs /InTu\:s/ (with /fj/ vs /T/). >>> >>> >>Oh, good point. I missed that. I suppose some 'lects must have /Tju/ >>in the latter, but not mine. >> >> > >I think it dies at the same time as /lj/ and /sj/ mostly do, so I'd >guess that conservative RP has it, but younger forms don't. >
I don't have /sj/ or /lj/, but I do have [Tj]. I'd say my accent is young RP.
> > >On 22/02/06, Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> wrote: > > >>On 2/21/06, Paul Bennett <paul-bennett@...> wrote: >> >> >>>On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:43:24 -0500, Keith Gaughan <kmgaughan@...> >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>>half hearth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>I don't know any dialect of English where these two are a minimal pair, >>>>rhotic or non-rhotic. >>>> >>>> >>>I have /hAf/ ~ /hAT/. In non-careful enough speech, I can have /A:f/ for >>>both of them. >>> >>> > >I'm not sure what the distinction you're trying to draw between /A:/ >and /A/ is, Paul. Could you elaborate, or is it just a typo/thinko? > >
Mine would be /?A:f/~/hA:f/. The former in more colloquial registers, the latter in more formal.