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Re: Middle English question

From:dirk elzinga <dirk.elzinga@...>
Date:Friday, July 30, 1999, 18:00
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Boudewijn Rempt wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, John Cowan wrote: > > > Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > > > > In my variant of ascii-IPA, it's /baud@wein/, or something > > > like that ;-). > > > > Sounds more like /baud@vein/ to me; a labiodental fricative. > > Or am I just hearing what I expect to hear? > > > > You're quite right. It's quite difficult to really listen > attentively to the sounds of ones own language - and the Dutch > /w/ appears to be quite difficult to analyze, I was told in my > phonetics class. When I pronounce it, it is quite definitely > labiodental, when I pay attention to it, anyway.
My experience with Dutch has been that the pronunciation of this segment varies according to dialect, with southern dialects having a glide (either labio-velar or labio-dental) and northern dialects having a labio-dental fricative. I believe Standard Dutch (ABN) has a fricative for this segment. Unfortunately, I'm not equipped to listen to Boudewijn's pronunciation of his name :-(. Dirk -- Dirk Elzinga "All grammars leak." -Edward Sapir