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Re: CHAT: I'm back!

From:Andreas Johansson <and_yo@...>
Date:Saturday, January 19, 2002, 19:53
BP wrote:

> >At 19:22 2002-01-09 -0500, Sally Caves wrote: > >>LOL! And so Tolkien doesn't borrow, doesn't MAKE his words from any >>real world sources, my foot! And I imagine that gul is "ghoul." < Arabic >>_ghul_, BTW. > >The supposed derivation of Black Speech _guul_ 'magic' would be that it is >a loan from Sindarin _guul_ '(black) magic', which itself is derived from >Common Eldarin *ngoolee 'knowledge, wisdom', also found in Quenya _~noole_ >'wisdom'. It is probably the case that this Eldarin root predates the word >_nazguul_, but I would still not rule out an influence from _ghoul_ on the >latter word. >
Where do you find Black Speech _guul_ "magic" from? In A Tolkien Compass the meaning is given as "any one of the major invisible servants of Sauron dominated entirely by his will", and Nazgul is translated "ringwraith", not **"ring-magic" or something like that. If there's any connection between Sindarin and Black Speech _guul_, I suspect it only consists of Tolkien feeling /gu:l/ to sound sinister. Andreas _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.


Michael Poxon <m.poxon@...>