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Re: Phonetics vs. Phonemics (was: apparently bizarre 'A's)

From:Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>
Date:Thursday, February 23, 2006, 19:42
On 2/23/06, Philip Newton <philip.newton@...> wrote:
> On 2/23/06, Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...> wrote: > > The most different-seeming to me are [h] and [f] for Japanese /h/, > > /hu/ is [p\M] AFAIK, not [fM].
You mean [PM]! I see no reason for a valuable monograph like [P] to be used as an alternative to [v\] in CXS, when symmetry demands that it be used for IPA [ϕ] (phi). The CXS chart should be amended at once! At once, do you hear? :) But you're right - I pronounce it [P] but still think of it as "f" in my head. I think of the vowel as "u", too. (Incidentally, is the /o/ vowel also unrounded [7]?)
> > but those aren't all that far apart really. > > But they're right at opposite ends of the pulmonic consonant chart > from each other!
Heh. Yes, glottal and labial are about as far apart as you can get POA-wise, but they're still both voiceless fricatives. Different levels of turbulence, but not all that dissimilar. Certainly not compared to the difference between the alleged English allophones [h] and [N]. -- Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>


Philip Newton <philip.newton@...>
Andreas Johansson <andjo@...>
René Uittenbogaard <ruittenb@...>