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Re: HUMOUR (lingua vulgaris) Re: .com/religion

From:Roger Mills <romilly@...>
Date:Thursday, September 27, 2001, 22:39
David Peterson wrote:
>siZej hi lIs leS Zi Sits SEl zEd leS Zi.>
And Andreas Johansson wrote:
>You can use it as much as you like, but I noticed another error - "because" >shouldn't be _lir_ like above (which rather means "because of that", >refering to something already said), but rather _lai_. > >So, with that corrected: > >E' stelza dins sashtstinzh tshist suzdel shas, tse sha senar tsai toushes - >ta sul shar a thainethes, lai ta srát shu shan seidh ast its, tse sha zol >lis. > >It may perhaps help you to know that the fourth word breaks up like >_sasht-stinzh_ "red-hairy", so there should be a kind of sort-of pause in >the middle. I think the technical term is "junction".
Nice to know how _stasht-stinzh_ breaks up, but it's still VERY difficult. Even if there is a little pause (junction, or _juncture_, the term I learned) it's awkward, and I'll bet that "native speakers" would mangle it somehow. Rather like English _mashed stones_, or _I pushed Stanley_ where except in very careful/emphatic speech I think the [-t] /-d/ would tend to get lost. (I can also do these by lengthening the /S/, to distinguish e.g. _push Stanley_ from _pushed Stan._ Similarly, in David's original sentence, I found _...Sits Sel..._ the most difficult, with _leS Zi_ a close second. I'll have to see what Kash can do in this department; we have lots of /S/ and /tS/.....;-) though I think it's the combination of these with [ts] and [st] (which we don't have) that creates the problems.