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Re: Duke Keenan the Ok guy returns

From:H. S. Teoh <hsteoh@...>
Date:Monday, December 2, 2002, 1:23
On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 06:28:19PM -0500, Keenan wrote:
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> I guess this isn't very clear. But does it need to be?
Yes. The various idiolects of English are different enough that comparing a vowel to an English word gives almost no information about its actual value.
> Otherwise I'm not touching the claw thread with a barge pole. Not even > to enlighten everyone with the correct pronunciation, which exists in > its purest form in Upstate New York...... ;))
That's precisely the problem. Everyone thinks their idiolect of English has the "correct", "official" (vowel) pronunciation. But none of these "official" vowels are the same. :-)
> I mean, after all, I've only just got back. I was never that popular > when I was here and I certainly don't want to piss everyone off by > starting the English pronunciation virus again! :))
[snip] You don't have to. Just take a couple o' hours to learn basic IPA, preferably with recordings so that you can tell what the vowels *really* sound like. And then you can actually talk about vowel pronunciation without setting off English pronunciation flamewars. (Imagine that!) :-) T -- This is a tpyo.

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