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De: Don Blaheta <dpb@...>
Para: Multiple recipients of list CONLANG <CONLANG@...>
Enviado: Viernes 1 de Octubre de 1999 10:20
Asunto: Re: Ong Rokbeigalmki (A Rokbeigalmki Chant)
> Quoth FFlores:
> > andrew <hobbit@...> wrote:
> > > Ricky Martin which mentioned a song he did for the soccer world cup
which
> > > included a line in the chorus that sounded to me like /olej olej
olej/.
> > > Since this song included lines sung in English, French and Spanish,=
I
> > > suspect is was meant to be {allez, allez, allez} "Go! Go! Go!" rath=
er
than
> > > Spanish {ole ole ole}. Pronunciation, to the untrained ear, become=
s
> > > blurred...
> >
> > So, didn't you hear the song? I heard that it was only used in some
> > countries, not in others. In the version I heard (all the time) it wa=
s
> > clearly /a'le/. Maybe it was meant to be _allez_ but I suspect it was
> > only there to fill the chorus. The song itself was hideous -- imagine
> > hearing /a'le a'le a'le/ every five minutes for weeks... (Plus I just
> > hate Latino singers that sing in the USA, in English, Spanish and
'Miamish'
> > at the same time! :)
>
> It's clearly /a'le/, because there is (at least) one line of it where h=
e
> distinctly says /o'le/ instead, and it sounds very different. (Also,
> the fact that that line is preceded by "go! go! go!" seems to indicate
> that "allez" would make a lot of sense. ;) What is the Spanish 2PL for
> "go"? "andan" or something like that?)
Id (vosotros) or Vayan (Uds.), but in such a situation the most common
expression would be Vamos (let's go), which would be a way to cheer our
favorite team during the match.
Ole is not used in that situation... and as a native Spanish speaker I'm
sure Ricky Martin was singing "al=E9" reather then "ole" or "ol=E9" (and =
after
there is no Spanish word "al=E9" so it most be French "allez"). Some tim=
es we
use "ole!" in a football match, but is an expression used when your favor=
ite
team is fooling the other team, like bullfighters fool the bulls.
-- Carlos Th