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Re: Terkunan: rules for deriving nouns, verbs, adjectives

From:R A Brown <ray@...>
Date:Saturday, October 27, 2007, 16:52
Henrik Theiling wrote:
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> Please comment on my rules: > > http://www.kunstsprachen.de/s25/#nounconstr
I am surprised to find the 4th & 5th declensions surviving, as they did not survive in Vulgar Latin. This is a really archaic feature. The 4th declension was simply absorbed into the 2nd, for fairly obvious reasons. Indeed, those who know their classical Latin will remember that 'domus' (house) couldn't make up its mind which declension it belonged to even in the formal language. In inscriptions we find confusion quite a few other nouns and it is clear from all the Romance tongues that the 4th simply didn't hang on in the common language. The 5th declension had only a handful of nouns in the Classical language, and even there some forms had 1st declension alternatives, e.g. materies ~ materia (matter, material), luxuria ~ luxuries (luxuriance, extravagance). So we find in late Latin 'glacia' and 'facia' for the classical 'glacies' (ice) and 'facies' (form, figure). This was extended in Vulgar Latin. The modern Spanish & Portuguese _día_ have remained unchanged since Vulgar Latin. Occasionally, a 5th declension word got absorbed into the 3rd declension, e.g. 'spes' (hope) developed a Vulgar Latin accusative 'spere(m)' on the analogy of 'flos' ~ 'flore(m)' (flower) and the verb 'sperare' (to hope).
> http://www.kunstsprachen.de/s25/#verbconstr
Yes - as you wish to reduce the verbal apparatus to a simplicity found neither in Latin nor the Romance languages (excepting, of course, romance based creoles), it's difficult to comment other than to say that here, in contrast to the conservatism of non-palatalization and the apparent retaining of the 4th & 5th declensions, the verbs show very radical reduction of verb forms. It will be interesting to see the diachronic development here. My task in many ways is easier in that _no_ fictional diachronic development is required. It's a fauxlang derived directly from ancient Greek. -- Ray ================================== http://www.carolandray.plus.com ================================== Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitudinem.

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