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Re: Austronesian style Latin...

From:Barry Garcia <montrei13@...>
Date:Monday, May 7, 2007, 4:09
On 5/6/07, Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> wrote:

> > I think that's the more logical thing to do, rather than trying to work with > really ancient stages.
The work would be far too complex than I want to even touch, so, I think for an amateur like myself, it's far easier to work with more modern stages, and even start with the beginnings of modern languages
> > Right on all counts. My only surprise was that C(E,I) and G(E,I) don't also > palatalize. And what about stress? Is it "masyúng" < mansióne- ?
Well, I had wanted to keep a few harder sounds without palatalizing everything, but of course, it would be fine to go either way. It's more stylistic than historical reasons. As for stress, it typically follows the way it went in Spanish. The outcomes of course would be either /ts/ or /tS/ for C(E,I), and /j/ for G(E,I)
> > On the cluster-simplification: apparently it doesn't make any difference if > they're pre- vs. post-tonic? What about C-R (fácere)? >
Cluster simplification should depend upon those factors, yes, which is why the results are essentially as with Spanish, such as for MANSIONE
> mesón Sp, masyúng for this language (I didn´t metasthesize the glide
and /s/). CR would result in /4/ first, then /l/. I thought the stress on facere was penultimate, since Ralph Penny says that Spanish words have pretty much all kept the same stress they had in Latin, so wouldn't facere have been facére? Am I wrong? Ha ha
> I'm especially amused by the two numbers you cite-- adok and katulki, 12 and > 14-- they're wonderfully deformed!! what about the others? >
Well... 1- unu 2 - dus* 3 - cis 4 - katul 5- kingki / tsingki (could be modified to tsing) 6- sis 7 - sayti (or seyti if I change to what Jorg brought up :)) 8- utu 9 - noybi 10 - dayk/deyk 11 - ungki 12 - duk (the one you cite should be this one, not adok) 13 - ciki 14 - katulki 15 - kingki/tsingki 16 - sengki 20 - binti 30 - cinta 40 - kajanta 50 - tsingkanta 60 - sisanta 70 - sitanta 80 - utanta 90 - nunanta 100 - kintu, or tsintu (if I palatalize without going past this stage) *How funny, "dus" comes close to sounding like the word for two in Hiligaynon "duha" if we ignore where the accent falls. There is also "dusa" in paiwanic. ** Seeing how 5 and 15 end up the same through the sound changes, I may have to rethink this one, or add an epenthetic vowel. Which by the way, I am considering adding to the ends, rather than the beginnings.
> Otherwise I don't see much to argue about :-) It'll be interesting to see > some more extensive texts. >
Why thank you :). These two families aren't easy to reconcile and I can see why you don't like it because of that. Hell, *I* Might not like it as I work on it.