Re: Aspirated stops vs. fricatives (was Re: Tit'xka (Pretty Long Post))

Nik Taylor wrote:
>
> Eric Christopherson wrote:
> > /p/, /t/, and /k/ are generally aspirated in English except after /s/,
> > so (AFAIK) the k in "kill" and the ck in "pack" are the same: [kIl]
> > [p&k]. But notice that "skill" is [sk_hIl].
>
> Not so.  kill = [k_hIl], skill = [skIl], pack = [p&k].  The /k/ in skill
> and the /k/ in pack aren't quite the same either.  I'm not sure exactly
> what the difference is, tho, but there is a subtle difference.
ACK! Yeah, I messed up those examples. I think the difference between
initial and final /k/ is not aspiration, but point of articulation.
The /k/ in "kill" is more uvular than the one in "pack" or something.