Re: Aspirated stops vs. fricatives (was Re: Tit'xka (Pretty Long Post))

At 16:21 on 30.12.1998, Eric Christopherson wrote:

> Nik Taylor wrote:
> >
> > Eric Christopherson wrote:
> > > ACK! Yeah, I messed up those examples. I think the difference between
> > > initial and final /k/ is not aspiration, but point of articulation.
> > > The /k/ in "kill" is more uvular than the one in "pack" or something.
> >
> > /k/ in kill *is* aspirated.  The /k/ in pack, as Tom Wier has already
> > pointed out, is unreleased.  Actually, the /k/ in "kill" *is* pronounced
> > at a somewhat more forward position than "pack" or "code", it's
> > partially palatized.
>
> I disagree that final /k/ is unreleased, at least from the speech I
> hear every day. I pronounce "pack" [p&k_h] and "tap" [t&p_h], but
> "cat" [k&t7] ([7] representing no audible release). I'm inclined to
> think that [t7] is the same sound as in "cattle" [k&t7l=], but it
> sounds just like [d] and I have seen it represented as a tapped /r/
> before. Anyone know what the *real* story is? :)
This is interesting!  To my ear many an American final /t/, and
*especially* /t7 before syllabic sonorants is some kind of glottalized
flap, if such a thing is possible (I generally produce a glottalized /t/ or
a plain glottal stop when trying to imitate it.)

/BP


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