Re: Aelya and Cein Revisited
|From:||Daniel Andreasson <rymddaniel@...>|
|Date:||Wednesday, August 1, 2001, 12:24|
Aidan Grey wrote:
--- Daniel Andreasson <rymddaniel@...> wrote:
> > Note the new rules on vowel length that I've added.
> > A vowel is long when syllable final (except some
> > short always unstressed words) or when followed by a
> > voiced obstruent /b d g D v/. Examples _so_ [so:] 'he' > and _llug_
>Very simple! I like it.
Again, this is from Welsh. I think. I suppose I've
simplified the rules, but I like it this way.
>I suppose you've niticed
>that I gave up on my beautiful length rule - I
>couldn't make it work with what was coming out of my
Couldn't you make up some phonological rules afterwords
like I did?
> > Then I changed the pronouns, but the possessive
> > pronouns remained.
> Very cool! Very ... diachronic! ;)
> > Perhaps they should undergo nasal mutation because
> > of the _an_?
>It's a possibility, and would make sense. You mean,
>nasal instead of the limited soft mutation?
Yes, exactly. (Although in Cein the soft mutation
The problem is that adjectives are always soft
and not nasally mutated, so they should be in these
surroundings too. I think I'll stick with the soft
mutation after all.
>In Aelya, soft mutation (maogad) is caused by old
>nasal of vowel finals, and lenition (shulad) by
>geminate consonants and long e, long i, and short i.
Wait a minute. You make a difference between soft
mutation and lenition? I though they were the same.
Or is lenition and spirant mutation the same?
> > Good lord! I have around 250 only. How do you find
> > the time?
>Simple. Don't have a life! ;)
Oh, okay then. :) *thinking of ways to get rid of
> > I liked the analytic nature of the _an_ particle
> > as well, but it's cool the way the /n/ assimilates
> > to the next cons. Perhaps it's a bit more European
> > too.
>I liked it too, and it's becoming something else.
>Haven't quite figured out yet - maybe the comparative
>prefix, or an equative 'as'. I mean, for example:
> She is as beautiful as Maora.
> Bhean se an Maora.
Oh! Equative! I've gotta have that too! _Bhean se an
Maora_. Excellent! The way adjectives work as verbs
is very cool. It reminds me of Rinya (and all the
other languages in which there are no "adjectives"
Perhaps I can use the Q. _ve_ 'as, like', which in
Cein would be _fe_ [v@].
Naer se an fein fe Maora.
is she at beautiful as Maora.
'She's as beautiful as Maora.'
What do you think?
> I'd ditch the apostrophes too. As to dative/object
>forms of the pronouns - keep it as you have it! You
>don't HAVE to have objective forms - Irish gets by
>just fine without any (well, mostly without any).
Well, I don't have objective forms. I don't want any
either. It's the dative forms I want. Forms like
_in ni_ 'to me' really feels awkward when I could
have _ini_ or _inni_ instead (or something to that
>Syntax would cover it all just fine. Of course, you do
>have to come up with some personalized prepositions
>(like dhoro, nean, and nas). At least, there common in
>all the Celtic langs, Welsh included.
I know. That's what I'll work on next, alongside
with dative forms (which is kinda the same thing).
But I don't know how they work exactly. Are they
prep + object pronoun or prep + subj pron? How do
they work? Could you give examples?
>Well, the celtic langs don't really have infinitives
>per se, just the lovely VN. And -idd isn't that far
>from -ad, so I'd keep it all like it is and just call
>them verbal nouns. Just me, of course.
Well, that's what I'll do.
> Well, I've been futzing with Aelya for about 7 years
>now, and I can finally see the light at the end of the
>tunnel. I've just got that excited burst of energy due
>to things finally getting somewhere.
My eternal problem. To continue after that first burst
of energy. The Cein - Aelya cooperation has helped me
past that first hindrance. I think the collaboration
of many people can make the Family Project really
successful; when you see what other people have done
with the same material you have, the inspiration is
great. At least that's my experience with Aelya and
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