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Re: new(?) phoneme discovered

From:René Uittenbogaard <ruittenb@...>
Date:Saturday, March 11, 2006, 21:33
John Vertical <johnvertical@...> wrote:
> > The description sounds like something I've been pondering. > The glottal consonants can be interpreted as stand-alone phonation > and nothing else, right? > > [h] = voiceless > [h\] = breathy voiced > [?] = glottal closure > > I've thought of interpreting [@] as the voiced one... I think you > may've hit on the one corresponding with creaky or tense phonation?
Well, in my interpretation every vowel counts as the voiced one.. And I don't know about "tense phonation" but it's definitely not creaky.. it's a whistle. Paul Bennett <paul-bennett@...> wrote:
> > *fumes* It's only a phoneme if it occurs contrastively in a known > language!!!! GRAR!
Argh! You're right. "New sound" I meant.
> Er, slightly more seriously, I can't even begin to image what you > mean here. I'm at work in an open lab environment, so I can't sit > here trying to whistle through my glottis tóo much. I guess I'll > have to wait until I get home, and annoy my long-suffering wife. > She's a pretty good sport, though, and tends to tolerate my making > strange noises, intentional and otherwise. > > Doesn't a whistle need some kind of chamber in which to form the > right kind of turbulence? If you can record and post examples, > it might help me understand.
I made a few recordings: http://www.ewoudnet.nl/ruittenb/mp3/ Note that it takes an effort to make the sound, and I haven't quite got the "hang" of it: it doesn't catch on right away, and still has a [h] sound in it. Adam Parrish wrote:
> I can make this sound, but only when I have laryngitis. > Maybe you should get your throat checked out. :)
:) René

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