Re: Zhyler & Kele Babel Texts

Nikhil wrote:

<<How do you make a creole or a pidgin. Do you apply sound changes and 
'corrupt' the words or do you use some other method.>>

Well, what I did was created an instant creole (a term of my coinage), and 
not a *real* concreole.   For a real concreole, I'd need two conlangs and two 
concultures, and I'd need to imagine a contact situation, which then developed 
over time.   I skipped that step, and just made up a list of words that had 
already been phonologically reduced, but had no grammar.

Mark wrote:

<<That's correct.

First language acquisition is fundamentally different adult or even
late-childhood language acquisition.  The child isn't memorizing
the grammar, but inferring it, and since they have incomplete
information to work with, they can only infer languages that fit
the universal pattern followed by all human natlangs.>>

It's my understanding that that's *not* always correct.   There were a few 
pidgins that creolized with no child speakers, as the plantation workers were 
all men who worked for ten year spans, with no women or children allowed (by 
decree of the owner of the plantation).

Stone wrote:

<<Ardalang?>>

Several of us got together to populate a world with languages, based on two 
proto-languages, which weren't languages, but word lists.   It happened during 
a summer, and lost steam when school started up...

<<Missed your orig post. Own as in "own copyright"? Congrats. Cool document.>>


No: Own a copy of.   :)   If I had the copyright, though...

Back to Kele, I'm working on a website right now.   I was actually hoping to 
post the original list I used, but I ran into an HTML sticking point: I'm tr
ying to get a column of English words with Kele equivalents that line up, but 
aren't uneven.   I'm trying to do this with tables, but I can't seem to get to 
tables to sit next to each other when they're beneath another table, or 
something like that...   I know absolutely nothing about HTML; I'm just fumbling my 
way along.   When I get it up, though, I'll let the list know.

-David