Re: help: Naming Trentish voice markers
From: | Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...> |
Date: | Wednesday, June 12, 2002, 3:52 |
"Mike S." wrote:
> Passive voice, if I understand that there is an optional
> agent which is not expressed, and thus is related to the next
> example. Alternately, middle voice, assuming that the agent
> is totally inexpressible, and this example is not related
> to the next example.
Is that the difference between middle and passive? What do you mean by
"totally inexpressible"? Do you mean that it's grammatically impossible
to state the agent?
> Incidentally, while this construction sounds odd to the English ear,
> "I paint myself (-on) the teeth", it sounds perfectly fine
> to francophones.
And Spanish-speakers, as in signs in countless public restrooms "Lávese
las manos" :-)
I wonder, is this a general Romance feature?
I'll have to contemplate how Uatakassi does this. I'm leaning towards
person = ergative, part = absolutive for volitional acts on the body
(like washing, etc.), and simple intransitives with the person expressed
by a genitive for nonvolitional acts (like, breaking bones). For
example:
The man washed his hands
Famatazna nlakusal natluniki
Past-wash-them man-erg hand-pl ("The man washed the hands")
The man broke his legs
Fakunifna uafbaskai nlakusaf
Past-break-them leg-pl man-gen ("The man's legs were broken")
Of course, if the man *deliberately* broke his legs, then it would be:
Fakunifna nlakusal uafbaskai
Past-break-them man-erg leg-pl
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