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Re: help: Naming Trentish voice markers

From:Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...>
Date:Wednesday, June 12, 2002, 3:52
"Mike S." wrote:
> Passive voice, if I understand that there is an optional > agent which is not expressed, and thus is related to the next > example. Alternately, middle voice, assuming that the agent > is totally inexpressible, and this example is not related > to the next example.
Is that the difference between middle and passive? What do you mean by "totally inexpressible"? Do you mean that it's grammatically impossible to state the agent?
> Incidentally, while this construction sounds odd to the English ear, > "I paint myself (-on) the teeth", it sounds perfectly fine > to francophones.
And Spanish-speakers, as in signs in countless public restrooms "Lávese las manos" :-) I wonder, is this a general Romance feature? I'll have to contemplate how Uatakassi does this. I'm leaning towards person = ergative, part = absolutive for volitional acts on the body (like washing, etc.), and simple intransitives with the person expressed by a genitive for nonvolitional acts (like, breaking bones). For example: The man washed his hands Famatazna nlakusal natluniki Past-wash-them man-erg hand-pl ("The man washed the hands") The man broke his legs Fakunifna uafbaskai nlakusaf Past-break-them leg-pl man-gen ("The man's legs were broken") Of course, if the man *deliberately* broke his legs, then it would be: Fakunifna nlakusal uafbaskai Past-break-them man-erg leg-pl -- "There's no such thing as 'cool'. Everyone's just a big dork or nerd, you just have to find people who are dorky the same way you are." - overheard ICQ: 18656696 AIM Screen-Name: NikTaylor42