Re: tSat: Re: 'tEst 'pli:z ig'nOr\

Benct Philip Jonsson wrote:
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> IIRC Ray Brown once told, on or off list, that his
> bilingual grandson calls himself /'aIv@n/ in English and
> /ivan/ in French!
Quite possibly. Now it's ['aIvn=] or [ivA~], depending upon language.
The same applies to other bilingual members of the family, namely my
wife (L1 English, L2 French) and my daughter-in-law (L1 French, L2 English).
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Mark J. Reed wrote:
 > "Ivan" and "Igor" are somewhat separate topics in (at least US) English,

They are also somewhat separate topics this side of the Pond also.

 > despite their shared phonemic origins in Russian.  "Igor" is best
known as
 > the name of the shuffling hunchback assistant to Doctor Frankenstein,
 > pronounced /'i:.gO`r/ modulo lectical variants;

Yep - much the same here, modulo lectical variants; i.e. the non-rhotic
dialects have [i:gO(:)], but others have [i:gO`], [i:gOr] etc.

[snip]
 > Ivan is, on the other hand, best known as "generic Russian given name"
[snip]
 > nigh-universally pronounced /'aj.v@n/.

Yep - and this side of the Pond.

 > The closer-to-native pronunciation
 > /i'van/ sounds to Americanglophonic ears like the female name "Yvonne"

If said by a 'Merkan, we'd probably understand the same. If said by a
Britisher, 'twould probably be understood as "some foreign name"   :)

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