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Re: THEORY: language and the brain [Interesting article]

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Wednesday, July 2, 2003, 13:32
En réponse à Chris Bates :

>The English system of Education falls down on languages as well. I got a >C in GCSE French (Middle grade, not a really bad mark, you take GCSEs at >16) not having memorized most of the irregular verbs, nor knowing most >the non-present verb endings. I lost interest to be honest... but I got >through simply by guessing on the most part when i was reading what >infinitive each verb was from and what tense it was in (they let you >take dictionaries into the exams as well!)
All the students of France envy you!!! :)) Dictionaries... Never saw the shadow of one even in classes...
>As for vowels Christophe, French has four nasal vowels doesn't it?
Four, going down to three. /9~/ is in the process of disappearing in favour of /E~/. I still make the distinction, but many people younger than me tend to confuse them. So if it's those that you can distinguish, you needn't worry about it ;))) .
> I >can only distinguish three, so I have a similar problem to your u and U. >I also tend to turn final e into ei (forgive me, I'm not as good with >vowels as with consonants),
It's a usual problem with English people and cardinal vowels. They tend to diphtongise them.
> and I'm sure there are a lot of other >problems with my pronounciation of french (like the typical english >tendency to insert very short @ sometimes). I think my etre is more >etR@_X instead of etR and I don't think the @ should be there (just >looked up the X SAMPA hope I got it right).
Indeed, there should be no schwa there. Final "e" is always silent in French. I'd guess you add [@] because a final /tR/ cluster breaks the sonority contour principle and English people have trouble with this break of the principle in final clusters, so they add a short [@] to create two syllables which don't break the principle anymore. Christophe Grandsire. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.