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Re: Conlang Typology Survey

From:Steg Belsky <draqonfayir@...>
Date:Friday, May 23, 2003, 16:52
On Fri, 23 May 2003 09:09:05 -0400 John Cowan <cowan@...>
writes:
> known as simply "the Y".) The now-insulting "Hebe" originated > among > the (mostly Jewish, at the time) writers of the professional stage > newspaper _Variety_ as a parody of this. Another parodistic form
> The Imperials are decadent, 300 pound John Cowan > <jcowan@...>
- And now there's Heeb Magazine, the self-styled "new jew review" (yay for rhyming!), which can be glimpsed in all its weirdness at http://www.heebmagazine.com/ . A few months ago a few friends of mine decided that if Jews wanted to do the "take over a slur as an in-group pride marker" thing that African Americans did with 'nigger'>'nigga', using "heeb/hebe" would sound better than "kike". ObConlang: the "heeb"/"hebe" spelling alternation just gave me an idea... let's say, Proto-HeebeLang (PHL) had a system whereby one gender (let's assign it as male), had lengthened final vowels, while the other gender (now female) had a short vowel, followed by an echo of that vowel: so: *heb /heb/ = 'fellow in-group member' (abstracted root) heeb /he:b/ = 'male fellow in-group member' hebe /hebe/ = 'female fellow in-group member' *goy /goj/ = 'not a member of the in-group' (abstracted root) gooy /go:j/ = 'male not a member of the in-group' goyo /gojo/ = 'female not a member of the in-group' But then, a vowel shift kicks in where final echoed vowels merge back, or fall away with compensatory lengthening, leaving HeebeLang with the following pairs: heeb /he:b/ = 'male fellow in-group member' hebe /he:b/ = 'female fellow in-group member' gooy /go:j/ = 'male not a member of the in-group' goyo /go:j/ = 'female not a member of the in-group' So each male/female pair is now spelled differently, but pronounced the same. Somehow i get the feeling something like this happened in English, but i can't think of any examples... "comedian" and "comedianne" are pronounced differently... -Stephen (Steg) "dos iz nit der šteg!"

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